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Old 15th April 2017, 00:42
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About EJ and Madonna , two notoriously difficult personalities . Not sure GM was the problem there, they seemed to have fallen outs with many people.
I agree. I don't think Madonna gets along with anyone in the business (nor many out of it, including in recent years her own family!) and, while I think Elton is basically a kind and decent man, he is well known for his monumental hissy fits and tendency to want to intervene - particularly if he thinks someone has substance abuse problems. Didn't he want to haul Robbie Williams off to the Priory at some stage too? In some ways I think the fall-out and feud with Andros - or more to the point the rest of that family - was sadder. Whatever Andros, or his ex-wife, did or didn't do, that was so unforgivable for twenty years after being so close, it seems sad that GM lost contact with his two godchildren from that marriage as well. As children, they were innocent.

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If I remember correctly, when George was arrested in Beverly Hills, he had asked Andros to take out full page ads in newspapers with some sort of statement from George. Andros did now want to do it because the park where George was arrested could have easily had children in it, who could have walked in the bathroom.

When you are a parent, no matter how much you love someone, if their addiction(s) could affect your family you need to make a choice. Who knows if that could have played a part in their separation?
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You are right , SirLaLa, I remember hearing that about EJ and Madonna. GM seemed to be much more down to earth so it's no wonder he fell out w/ both of them . While I admire many of Elton's classic songs I never card for the way he called George out in public , if you truly cared you do those things privately . As for post about Andros , he gets a really bad rap but none of us know the whole story of what went down w/ him and George . It's sad though as they did seem very close, George looked quite happy in many of their pictures together. Tough friendship to lose , one you had since you were little kids!
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But when you hear Andros talking about George's drug use while he also admitted he was rolling lots of joints for him it's a head scratcher. Yes I know people don't think of pot normally as being that bad but the man was smoking massive amounts! Also saw a pic or two of G out with David Austin in the late 90's judging by appearance and George looked very drunk . Makes you wonder if these very close friends knew he had problem with alcohol what were they doing ?! When your friend has depression and probable addiction issues ..
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GMfan87' I have been thinking about that too. I dont really know what think about that
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When you combine stubborness and ego you are naturally going to get conflict. I think with George it was more fustration that others could not see his vision of what he wanted the end product to be.

Its all depend if he respected you -David Austin has been his friend and work colleague for ever until the end - mutual respect proabably prevented any falling out.
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I don't think George had personality traits which made him difficult to get along with. In fact, in his younger days it seemed quite the opposite, and anyone who was close to him said what good company he was. I have never heard anyone say a bad word against him to be honest in regards his temperament. My theory is that his addictions made him defensive and anyone who tried to intervene and advise him in later years was told to mind their own business and ultimately cut from his life altogether. Andros may have been an enabler to George's habits at one time, but he does seem to have seen sense and got back on a more even path than George did. I wonder if the only people George kept sound him in later years were either those who were prepared to turn a blind eye for the sake of their friendship? Of course all this is only theory.
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I don't think George had personality traits which made him difficult to get along with. In fact, in his younger days it seemed quite the opposite, and anyone who was close to him said what good company he was. I have never heard anyone say a bad word against him to be honest in regards his temperament. My theory is that his addictions made him defensive and anyone who tried to intervene and advise him in later years was told to mind their own business and ultimately cut from his life altogether. Andros may have been an enabler to George's habits at one time, but he does seem to have seen sense and got back on a more even path than George did. I wonder if the only people George kept sound him in later years were either those who were prepared to turn a blind eye for the sake of their friendship? Of course all this is only theory.
Probably a correct theory. I suspect he was also quite compartmentalised as well. He seems to have been a very high functioning addict most of the time and clearly maintained a bunch of friendships from the past - like the Kemps - who he trusted and saw quite a lot of, but who were not part of the more drug fuelled gay porn scene he also frequented. I don't think there was much cross-over between the two sets and I wonder if, practicing denial so successfully for so long with the media and maybe himself, those like the Kemps and Ridgeleys never knew the full extent of his other lifestyle and believed it was a media exaggeration. I don't know where David Austin fitted in all this - plainly part of the childhood, straight, non-druggy group but knowing because of how much time he spent with GM rather more of what was going on.
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I don't think George had personality traits which made him difficult to get along with. In fact, in his younger days it seemed quite the opposite, and anyone who was close to him said what good company he was. I have never heard anyone say a bad word against him to be honest in regards his temperament. My theory is that his addictions made him defensive and anyone who tried to intervene and advise him in later years was told to mind their own business and ultimately cut from his life altogether. Andros may have been an enabler to George's habits at one time, but he does seem to have seen sense and got back on a more even path than George did. I wonder if the only people George kept sound him in later years were either those who were prepared to turn a blind eye for the sake of their friendship? Of course all this is only theory.
Frankly, Andros's story has changed so many times over why he fell out with George Michael. He first said that it was because of a press release that GM wanted to put out after the LA arrest that he didnt agree with. Then he said it was because he gave GMs Mum's picture that was his to a publication.

Then he said it was because GM was so fascinated with the Spice Girl Geri Halliwell who stayed with him for 3 months and GM was very close to at one time. It seems Andros called her a "f*****g silly cow" or something that enraged GM and was the final straw . Andros didnt like Kenny. He made a mess of the Aegean Record company that GM started and put him in charge. It seems Andros had the biggest office of any record company executive and was on an ego trip. I think GM ended up losing half a million dollars on the whole venture.

It looked like Andros was a very controlling guy and if you watch the Trojan Souls studio sessions on YouTube, you will at one point see Anselmo walking into the studio and Andros who was doing the video recording talking loudly to him. GM and Anselmo are having a quiet convo and GM starts with "How was your day?" and Anselmo is showing him a cheque and they are talking. Andros is screaming , what is that cheque, what is he showing you etc. Who would want to have a guy like that around?

I always wonder what trajectory GMs life would have taken if what happened to Anselmo had not happened. Imagine finding the love of your life and finding he is terminally ill 6 months later. He said the Sony case he thought happened because he was frustrated with Sony and he was so scared and angry about Anselmo's illness. And he had to put his anger into something. Also they say a top Sony exec in the US insulted GM and told his manager "your f****t client". He did not suffer personal slights easily or forget them it seems.

Over the years as GMs slid down the slippery path of addictions and depression, he might have been hard to live with. But Kenny seems remarkably rancourless about their relationship. Dont forget Kenny came from a dysfunctional family and was fighting with his own addictions. If your exes have a good relationship with you and dont hate you, then you should be alright

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All the points here make sense. Maybe those closest to him weren't seeing him that often to know what was really up with him . Also with his drug use he may not have been quite the same person , he defintely sounded more paranoid in interviews . Seems hard to believe GM would of let Andros be controlling with him since he was a self described control freak. Not sure about Andros character , at times he seemed very loyal and loving towards George but then some of his actions make me question him . Then what was up with his Guy Fieri look ?! Mid life crisis or something . Seeing that and some of his tough guy comments I'd think this guy is a tool.. I don't know ,George was close to him for a very long time . Maybe he felt threatened by others being close to George . Too bad no one else has ever spoken about it .
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I've found some background on Elton/Geri/Andros falling out
http://forums.denden.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=26996

Andros is on 'one'as usual - think reading between the lines he was jealous of Geri and Kenny relationship with GM - retrospectively he goes easy on Anselmo as he had died so wasn't considered a threat.

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Do you think it is possible for people like George to have real real friends ? Like we have ?
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Yes especially people with shared early history like school pals and David Austin who were friends all his life. I'd say it would be harder to make very close new pals.
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It is hard to tell if the falling out with Stephen Fry was real or tabloid manufactured.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglopheni...fry-on-twitter

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It is hard to tell if the falling out with Stephen Fry was real or tabloid manufactured.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglopheni...fry-on-twitter
I think it must have been real for George to mention it on his own Twitter feed, surely? He was saying Fry didn't defend him against what he claimed to be an untruthful claim by the documentary producer. What I don't get is why these people (including, I'm afraid, George) go in for all this passive aggressive tweeting (and threatening legal action they never then take) instead of just picking up the phone and saying "Hi, Elton/Stephen/Bono, why are you saying x or not doing y. It's really getting on my wick. Why can we do about it?" Or words to that effect. Really weird.
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