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I have a cousin who is 35 and still hasn't told his parents (in fact I'm the only person in the family who knows he is gay).
I didn't think it would be an issue these days. Look at Sam Smith - nobody cares that he is Gay.
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I didn't think it would be an issue these days. Look at Sam Smith - nobody cares that he is Gay.
He probably doesn't have homophobic parents....
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He probably doesn't have homophobic parents....
George's dad was a homophobic (according to Andros). Poor thing (George) would have been scared to death !
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I didn't think it would be an issue these days. Look at Sam Smith - nobody cares that he is Gay.
There's about thirty years' difference in age between GM and Sam Smith and over a decade between Sam Smith and Parklife's 35-year-old cousin - that's a long time in the equality stakes and in terms of how perceptions have changed according to the generations. I've seen three different examples of this across my own family and how age affects perception.

Regarding class, back in the day GM was one of the classiest performers. He had great charisma, a natural classiness that outshone his contemporaries. He was a beautiful, funny, articulate man and presented himself well. There was never going to anything very classy about being outed in a toilet - and, as I have mentioned before, GM has seemed to keep some very unclassy company in the years since the LA incident (I'm not suggesting Kenny, nor Fadi - he seems to be a dignified and loyal supporter, whatever you think of his porn star past). Errors crept into his work (see the terrible lip synching he did in the True Faith video) and his judgement (his ill-judged Olympics performance) - his writing on Twitter was sloppy, out and about he dressed badly. This inevitably chipped away at the impeccably classy image he had built up over a career and together with his promiscuous lifestyle, persistent drugs habit, his crashes and his prison term, the brand was damaged.

I don't think being gay has had anything to do with GM's fall from grace - it was pretty much accepted among the public long before he was outed that he was most likely gay or bisexual. It's rather the way he's behaved as a gay man that has diminished him.

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Regarding class, back in the day GM was one of the classiest performers. He had great charisma, a natural classiness that outshone his contemporaries. He was a beautiful, funny, articulate man and presented himself well. There was never going to anything very classy about being outed in a toilet - and, as I have mentioned before, GM has seemed to keep some very unclassy company in the years since the LA incident (I'm not suggesting Kenny, nor Fadi - he seems to be a dignified and loyal supporter, whatever you think of his porn star past). Errors crept into his work (see the terrible lip synching he did in the True Faith video) and his judgement (his ill-judged Olympics performance) - his writing on Twitter was sloppy, out and about he dressed badly. This inevitably chipped away at the impeccably classy image he had built up over a career and together with his promiscuous lifestyle, persistent drugs habit, his crashes and his prison term, the brand was damaged.

I don't think being gay has had anything to do with GM's fall from grace - it was pretty much accepted among the public long before he was outed that he was most likely gay or bisexual. It's rather the way he's behaved as a gay man that has diminished him.
Yes, sure

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Smith told Mac that George Michael was his inspiration to become a singer but said that he did not necessarily see himself continuing to put out music into his 50s like the former Wham! star, instead wanting to own a farm and start a family.

Sam's LOVES George Michael. "I have a weird and undying love for George Michael," he says. "He's the reason why I want to do what I do. I'd love to meet him. I'd love to. He's so honest and when you really dig into his lyric he's just very inspirational as a public figure." Sam says it's "an artist's dream" to have George's career.
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Your point is what?

Sam is a fan; a credible one, granted, and I have huge respect for him, but you take those isolated comments as a sure sign that GM's reputation and brand and pulling power remains intact? That's more than a little naive.
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Your point is what?

Sam is a fan; a credible one, granted, and I have huge respect for him, but you take those isolated comments as a sure sign that GM's reputation and brand and pulling power remains intact? That's more than a little naive.
I think that Sam Smith is a more mature, articulate and reliable source than you about society in general and about George Michael and his artistic career, in particular. It's my opinion: simple and naive like that.
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I think that Sam Smith is a more mature, articulate and reliable source than you about society in general and about George Michael and his artistic career, in particular. It's my opinion: simple and naive like that.
I'm not going to take sides here. But if Sam does want to see or duet with George I do think that says a lot...and even if it's a lifeline for George in terms of getting back to the music scene then why not. Maybe they can learn from each other. I'm obviously biased in that I think George is a musical genius but I'm not going to write Sam off as being a pretender as he has years to perfect his craft..who knows what he will become. He seems like a bright guy who wants to learn..like George was once.

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I've bought Sam's music, I have seen him live twice, but how does him admiring GM confirm that George retains the same pulling power, still has the power to shift vast quantities of records and vast quantities of concert tickets? It doesn't.

As a side note, if a duet does arise (akin to Elton duetting with the young George) it could be a very good kick up the backside for George's career and put him front and centre in the public's mind again, for the best of reasons - making music.

We have no idea though whether GM is even capable of recording music again. It remains a big, unanswered 'if'.
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There's about thirty years' difference in age between GM and Sam Smith and over a decade between Sam Smith and Parklife's 35-year-old cousin - that's a long time in the equality stakes and in terms of how perceptions have changed according to the generations. I've seen three different examples of this across my own family and how age affects perception
I come from an extremely homophobic area/background. Industrial Northern England. It's still very much like that even in today's supposedly liberal environment. I'm glad I've lived in London for 20 years as its very different here. But the reality is that homophobia is still rife depending on where you live and how you have been brought up. In the 80s coming out as gay would have been a career disaster no matter how good the music was. George could not have fulfilled his ambitions if he came out which is a real shame...so I don't blame him at all. He may have over egged the macho image a bit but his fans enjoyed it and so what. It's a show and entertainment ultimately....did the girls really think they were going to marry him.

Things have gone a bit pear shaped for George more recently but I would never criticise him for how he handled his career in the 80s. He wanted to succeed and fulfil an ambition and he did. Fair play to him...despite having to hide his real self.

Since then other things have taken over and I don't want to moralise over those things either....he is a flawed guy who has problems. End of really. For those of us that still care about how he is perceived in the longer term, let's hope he does a typical George Michael u turn and proves everyone wrong. If anone can......,
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As far for the US... Sueing Sony ruined his carreer. As far for Europe... Drugs and its consequences (high level of stupidities and low level of new work) changed him from a respected star into a fallen hasbeen. Not with the pink glasses fans but with the general public.
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Let's talk about actual trends and levels: the two hugest 'new' british artists ie Adele and Sam Smith show admiration, respect etc. for George Michael and his musical duty why not for Elton John or Paul McCarteny or someone similar?

Why they're not 'ashamed' to be associated to someone so in trouble and suddenly incapable like the George Michael that few negative and obsessed people here (and some british tabloid) keep painting?

Maybe because these few people are wrong? Maybe.
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As a side note, if a duet does arise (akin to Elton duetting with the young George) it could be a very good kick up the backside for George's career and put him front and centre in the public's mind again, for the best of reasons - making music.
This is a nice thought in theory but I'm not sure it would work - George and Sam are too similar for a duet to work well I think.

Duets work very well when you get 2 artists who are very different in vocal quiality but compliment each other combined e.g. George and Aretha and George with Smokey Robinson. These two duets are excellent in every way and George's voice compliments the very mellow mowtown voice of Smokey and Aretha ( I can't believe they sang that 30 years ago !). Another example of contrast is Maria Marey and Boyz 2 Men.

Lets not get carried away with Sam. He's good. Very good. Lets see if he's got the staying power that George has/had. Sams quality of writing is up there with George but to me he has not earned his stripes just yet.
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... for George Michael and his musical duty why not for Elton John or Paul McCarteny or someone similar?
Don't under estimate the big age gap. Elton and Paul and in there 70's. George is 52 and Adele and Sam are in there mid 20's. Obviously George is more 'relevant' espeacially to Sam due to his sexuality.

I personally don't rate Elton and Paul that highly anyway.
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As far for the US... Sueing Sony ruined his carreer. As far for Europe... Drugs and its consequences (high level of stupidities and low level of new work) changed him from a respected star into a fallen hasbeen. Not with the pink glasses fans but with the general public.
Steady on buddy, lets be clear on one thing, George is NOT a hasbeen.

Suing Sony - To me he gained respect in the industry. He had his reasons and at the end of the day he got what he wanted. I don't care what the US people think and neither does George.

Drugs - I'd rather not comment. One could argue the influence of drugs produced his best work (his words not mine). I'm not here to judge.
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