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Again, then Kenny could just as well co-write a dignified book (which is probably not excluded)
What George said were his own words and as far as I know, he never ever gave away any detail about someone who wasn't there anymore to defend themselves.
I don't know, this just looks so wrong to me. Something like "ok, you told the world I'm an alcoholic, then I have every right to say what I want".
Fair enough, then why not sell pictures of the funeral if it's for the foundation? Good cause? Yes, let's go!
Seems to me alcohol has burnt his remaining neurone(s).
And we can say anything about Fadi but so far, I haven't read any intimate details revealed by him (and I hope I never will).

Yes we know most of it, blablabla. But it's about principles here.
Soulmate, my arse. I would never EVER do this to the man I love.
I agree with you. I'm wondering casually if there is a difference in American v. European attitudes on "kiss and tells" generally, judging from the reactions on here. It's never struck me before, but looking at the postings it does seem overall that those in America are much less bothered by the concept than the Europeans and it may not simply be related to George and Kenny. Although it's British tabloids that have been pretty famous for them in the past, I don't know many people over here who aren't repulsed by the notion of selling private details to tabloids, even leaving aside the particular paper involved. There's usually pretty universal disgust for those who participate and I think most Europeans have a strong view that talking about a loved one's private life, even where the facts are already known, for money is pretty base. I get the feeling that Americans take a much more prosaic view that as long as the payment is for 'a good cause' the trade of information about a personal relationship is just another commodity. Does it make a difference that one party is dead? I know it makes it worse for me because the dead person has no opportunity to object, but I would feel just as strongly were GM still to have been alive and this was printed.
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The thing is we don't really know for sure though , with what you bring up yes that would make sense but.. maybe GM would look at it just the way Kenny said .
I didn't know George Michael. But it is impossible to follow someone's career so closely for 30 years without feeling as though you have some insight into certain aspects of their thinking. I cannot possibly claim to know better than Kenny, but this whole interview thing seems to be unnecessary and a really bad call. He may have just been spectacularly naive. My opinion however, for what it is worth, is that George would have been totally horrified at the thought of Kenny doing an exclusive Sun interview. That is my view and I'm sticking with it. I think Kenny has got this one totally wrong.
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Responding to the idea that it's a fact George would of been furious , cut Kenny Goss off.. The thing about George is sometimes it seemed like he protested too much so it made me wonder is he trying to convince himself . Not just the Sony issue , a few other things that he kept mentioning years later. Just because he presented it to public , it's impossible to know what he said or thought privately . Based on what we've seen and heard he was a mass of contradictions so it's not impossible for me to believe this may not have been a big deal to him . You ever read an item about a celebrity or a biography and they have said or done something polar opposite to what they give off ?! In that world there are many phonies and hypocrites , not saying he was ( don't believe he was) but he could of had different ways of looking at something .( the example that if this went to something he believed in )
He went on talking bitterly about The Sun (although not ranting anymore like he used to do in 2011-2012 on Twitter but with a sort of quiet resignation) nearly until the end ... If there is a topic upon which he didn't publicly contradict himself during whole years, that's his loathing of The Sun ...

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Reading all comments makes me feel like I have missed actual proof that Kenny had talked to the Sun. For now I just believe a Sun gang member has been sitting in the Sunnnn with his laptop and a joint trying to make up a story which will be copied by most press and brings in more Money on the lazy Sunnnnnday!
Proof is what I need before I can evaluate whether or not Kenny has gone to the press or not. Paroooooooof.
And me (Dutch saying "sitting on the roof"). I am so getting the rash from the press!


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Uh the proof is Kenny's own Instagram where he told people he did this. It's a public profile. You can google it.
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I agree with you. I'm wondering casually if there is a difference in American v. European attitudes on "kiss and tells" generally, judging from the reactions on here. It's never struck me before, but looking at the postings it does seem overall that those in America are much less bothered by the concept than the Europeans and it may not simply be related to George and Kenny. Although it's British tabloids that have been pretty famous for them in the past, I don't know many people over here who aren't repulsed by the notion of selling private details to tabloids, even leaving aside the particular paper involved. There's usually pretty universal disgust for those who participate and I think most Europeans have a strong view that talking about a loved one's private life, even where the facts are already known, for money is pretty base. I get the feeling that Americans take a much more prosaic view that as long as the payment is for 'a good cause' the trade of information about a personal relationship is just another commodity. Does it make a difference that one party is dead? I know it makes it worse for me because the dead person has no opportunity to object, but I would feel just as strongly were GM still to have been alive and this was printed.
Not sure about that , I don't in general think it's ok to talk about a public person to the press and I was a little surprised he did . I'm glad he didn't reveal any new or private details and if he does my opinion will change .In US there are so many celebrity tabloid like headlines in many media outlets that I think you just become immune to it after a while . His fans were aware of much of this and general public that still know who he is either won't care or will say another cliche . On principle it wasn't the thing to do even if truly for foundation and couldn't he have found anyone else? But my feeling is it happened and don't see it changing anyone's perception of George .

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He went on talking bitterly about The Sun (although not ranting anymore like he used to do in 2011-2012 on Twitter but with a sort of quiet resignation) nearly until the end ... If there is a topic upon which he didn't publicly contradict himself during whole years, that's his loathing of The Sun ...

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I get you , but the point of my post was he said it publicly , who knows privately if his stance could of differed . Simply basing it on what Kenny said , possible but I don't know and neither does anyone else .
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I didn't know George Michael. But it is impossible to follow someone's career so closely for 30 years without feeling as though you have some insight into certain aspects of their thinking. I cannot possibly claim to know better than Kenny, but this whole interview thing seems to be unnecessary and a really bad call. He may have just been spectacularly naive. My opinion however, for what it is worth, is that George would have been totally horrified at the thought of Kenny doing an exclusive Sun interview. That is my view and I'm sticking with it. I think Kenny has got this one totally wrong.
That is true , ( about the insight into the person after so many years)especially with someone as open as George Michael was. I really liked and respected that about him , how he was very real when he spoke . I wish no one spoke out negatively about GM including the papers over the years and most of all I wish he didn't engage in the harmful things he did but it's happened and there may be more if not Kenny someone else .. George was a clue on Jeopardy tonight ! Former Wham! singer's death on Christmas - can't believe still at times we are at this point in time .
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All of this is no reflection on George as an artist.

I loved his music 30 years ago and I love it today.

How sad all of this is....
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All of this is no reflection on George as an artist.

I loved his music 30 years ago and I love it today.

How sad all of this is....
How right you are. It's so hard to hold onto George the artist amidst all this tawdriness but important. Utterly striking there is not a mention of the music or genius in all of Kenny's memories. What a contrast with the words and memories of Shirlie, Pepsi and Andrew at the Brits.
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Responding to the idea that it's a fact George would of been furious , cut Kenny Goss off.. The thing about George is sometimes it seemed like he protested too much so it made me wonder is he trying to convince himself . Not just the Sony issue , a few other things that he kept mentioning years later. Just because he presented it to public , it's impossible to know what he said or thought privately . Based on what we've seen and heard he was a mass of contradictions so it's not impossible for me to believe this may not have been a big deal to him . You ever read an item about a celebrity or a biography and they have said or done something polar opposite to what they give off ?! In that world there are many phonies and hypocrites , not saying he was ( don't believe he was) but he could of had different ways of looking at something .( the example that if this went to something he believed in )
What you said about inconsistency or even polar opposition btw public and private behavior is like describing some politicians or certain other public figures. It is just so not George Michael. Even those media do not like him under pretty homophobic environment back 19-20 yrs ago had to admit that G was honest. Although we would never know exactly how George would react to Kenny's interview to the Sun, it is still pretty safe to say he would be very angry about it. George was very principled and had used his talent and hard work to earn money and then use his money to support charity. If he could have been less principled and less stubborn, his life would have been much easier. But we would talk about a different person. I am sorry, but you are questioning his character here, which is not right.

Kenny Goss might have meant well (which I am not sure ). however, what happened is that George became headlines again for all the wrong reasons. But what had George done this time? Absolutely nothing, but he is dead. Kenny Goss earned money for whatever cause at the expense of George, who Kenny claimed to be the love of his life. Nothing sounds right here.
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What you said about inconsistency or even polar opposition btw public and private behavior is like describing some politicians or certain other public figures. It is just so not George Michael. Even those media do not like him under pretty homophobic environment back 19-20 yrs ago had to admit that G was honest. Although we would never know exactly how George would react to Kenny's interview to the Sun, it is still pretty safe to say he would be very angry about it. George was very principled and had used his talent and hard work to earn money and then use his money to support charity. If he could have been less principled and less stubborn, his life would have been much easier. But we would talk about a different person. I am sorry, but you are questioning his character here, which is not right.

Kenny Goss might have meant well (which I am not sure ). however, what happened is that George became headlines again for all the wrong reasons. But what had George done this time? Absolutely nothing, but he is dead. Kenny Goss earned money for whatever cause at the expense of George, who Kenny claimed to be the love of his life. Nothing sounds right here.
My only point really was its possible he wouldn't have been angry like many assume . I didn't question his character just said what people say and do in public isn't always in line with what they do in private . That is true of everyday people as well. Yes he came across honest mostly but there were inconsistencies over the years , could of been not remembering accurately , changing his mind or wanting to tell it differently . He had many good points about him but he was human and it's not wrong to say he may have thought something different than the public perceived of him .

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Kenny Goss might have meant well (which I am not sure ). however, what happened is that George became headlines again for all the wrong reasons. But what had George done this time? Absolutely nothing, but he is dead. Kenny Goss earned money for whatever cause at the expense of George, who Kenny claimed to be the love of his life. Nothing sounds right here.
I am curious. Isn't there a general belief in most cultures that you do not talk ill of the dead. Of course, I will be told that Kenny did not speak ill, he was only stating facts etc.. But isnt it a general principle that if you respect the departed soul you do not do anything to create a negative image of them. Looking at the picture Sonya7 posted in the other thread of the tabloid headlines and googling, does it not create an image that GM was a druggie upto no good. Of course, somebody is going to tell me he was wasn't he now. All of us knew about his weaknesses and problems. But there were many, many good things about this man. If you really claim to be his soulmate, you should highlight the good things and not the negative things. Or atleast be silent. Plain and simple, you should not be doing this to him.

People here are GMs fans from many years. Even among them you can sense a negative vibe about GM since these articles started. He was economical with the truth. Maybe he was saying one thing in public and another in private. He must have lied about the Heath incident. Do you think he was so self-delusional and in denial to send a letter from this man to a high-level inquiry commission, if it was false?

I think we are wondering here how close Kenny was to GM in the last years. One gets the impression not very. As we read elsewhere, he turned up unexpectedly for the pre-Symphonica press conference. Reading these accounts one gets the feeling it was a living arrangement for years. Kenny certainly enjoyed the benefits of being around GM. He would have been happier if GM was not so celebrity-averse and had been socialising with the rich and famous. Kenny enjoys having dinner with Elton and wants to work with William and Harry on mental health issues. You have to latch on to the high and mighty if you want to stay relevant in the glamour circle.

Maybe one should ask Kenny how open his side of the relationship was and what he was upto? Notice the soft inserts about drinking problem flaring up around 50 yrs only. Earlier Rehab was for prescription medicines only. In another place I started drinking in the morning. I became mean when I drank, but otherwise I am a nice guy. He was very good at creating this image of Kenny is an Angel who saved GM. There is even a fan forum for him. GM had massive problems and it was all his creation. But one wonders what Kenny's role in all this was.

Ultimately, for whatever reason Kenny did this for the money. All this doing it to help people with mental health and addiction issues is rubbish. Kenny could have done something practical to help his "soulmate" as he battled his addiction issues. Of course, the person itself should be willing to change. But then why do we have the word "intervention". Kenny mentions how GM encouraged him to go to rehab twice. I think it was convenient to say, he didnt do hard drugs with me but another set of friends. This Sun interview was an exercise to benefit Kenny under the cloak of helping people and with the disclaimer that he was not saying anything new about GM. Hope the payoff was a good one.

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Maybe one should ask Kenny how open his side of the relationship was and what he was upto?
Andros wrote in his book:

''I learned that Kenny likes famous booty calls, but, of course, he never knows who they are, he just manages to bump into them.''



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I agree with you. I'm wondering casually if there is a difference in American v. European attitudes on "kiss and tells" generally, judging from the reactions on here. It's never struck me before, but looking at the postings it does seem overall that those in America are much less bothered by the concept than the Europeans and it may not simply be related to George and Kenny. Although it's British tabloids that have been pretty famous for them in the past, I don't know many people over here who aren't repulsed by the notion of selling private details to tabloids, even leaving aside the particular paper involved. There's usually pretty universal disgust for those who participate and I think most Europeans have a strong view that talking about a loved one's private life, even where the facts are already known, for money is pretty base. I get the feeling that Americans take a much more prosaic view that as long as the payment is for 'a good cause' the trade of information about a personal relationship is just another commodity. Does it make a difference that one party is dead? I know it makes it worse for me because the dead person has no opportunity to object, but I would feel just as strongly were GM still to have been alive and this was printed.
Interesting observation on European vs North American views. If it is the case then it could be the proximity to Hollywood and kiss and tells being a bit more common about major and minor celebrities? Maybe we have more reality television where it seems like nothing is ever off limits. So we are a bit more desensitized? I pretty much expected one to come out from someone after George died. I think it is still seen as sleazy though.

In the situation with Kenny, I'm still sort of withholding judgement until I understand if there was more behind this and if in some way the family /David was in support of it to get ahead of some worse stuff. This is the only scenario that would make what he did somewhat acceptable for me. The comments about Fadi interspersed are particularly interesting to me and the start of Alex talking almost on the day of the first article are curious too. Alex certainly isn't slamming Kenny for for running to the tabloids. He's upset about Fadi and suddenly needs to tweet about it. Kenny always seemed in with the family and David. Even though there was nothing really new about George other than a love of kids' cereals, I didn't expect Kenny to be the one to go rogue and spill to a tabloid after all these years, that's for sure. Maybe without George the foundation can't stay afloat so he sold out in a vile way. But there are also a lot of wealthy art patrons in Dallas so it seems like a rash thing to have done. Talking to a tabloid and under the justification of charity to me is like "putting lipstick on a pig"(not sure if that just a Canadian expression? Lol) As a North American, I do think kiss and tells are vile. I'm more curious about what is behind this particular one before I write Kenny off completely.

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I think Kenny still has George’s best interests at heart, even after all of these years. And I am sure that he knows how much George loathed the Sun. He was present in George’s life during some of their worst treatment of him, with some of their worst headlines (Zip Me Up Before You Go-Go comes to mind). So then why would he sell a story to this paper?

I think this is some sort of preemptive PR strike, to prevent Fadi (or others) from selling the Sun his story. And the fact that the foundation got some money out of the deal is another plus. I think that George’s family is finally coming out of their grieving and is trying to take some sort of control back over George’s image. And I also think they are finally willing to give some information about the funeral and recent years, via Kenny. They must be aware by now that some fans were upset that there was no public memorial or any way for them to say their final goodbyes…. and that there are so many unanswered questions about the last few years that other people are willing to speak about for a sum of money.

I take some Kenny’s interpretation of recent events with a grain of salt. He was only in contact with George by occasional phone call and text, information was divulged to Kenny in whichever way George decided to spin it. He wasn’t there to see what was really going on.

I didn’t get any insight into mental health or drug issues from these stories. Yes, he mentioned that George would spend the day in bed if given the chance and smoked a lot of weed … but that’s about it. We will see if the future installments are more enlightening on that front.

It was interesting to learn that no music was played during the funeral service. I had been thinking about that… how do you select music for a funeral for GM? I think they made the right decision on that. I get the impression that the funeral was well thought out and I really feel that it was done exactly as George would have wanted.
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