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Old 8th January 2017, 21:04
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Seriously, you stand by this? As a journalist you can say hand on heart that Fadi hasn’t been pestered by the Press?

Andrew R has tweeted considerably more. Fadi hasn’t given any formal interviews; he has probably said less than a couple of hundred of words in the past fortnight, most probably snatched by reporters on the doorstep as he’s come and gone from the properties. He has posted a few times on Instagram and Twitter; I’d hardly say it’s been a "never-ending 'look at me’ fest’. That’s very unfair.
Andrew's posts were mainly taking issue with The Sun choosing to honor George's memory with a Wham! song rather than one of his later solo compositions. He was simply asking that the integrity of his musical legacy be preserved, especially as the co-writer of the song they wanted re-released and he deemed inappropriate. As for Fadi's tweets, most of them have been deleted, so yes, now it appears he has been less active than he really was. But that certain series of tweets... I'm sorry. Over the line. I won't even use a qualifier.

Fadi has been hounded by the paps. They're stalkers, it's what they do. The press, had he simply used the phrase "no comment," would have eventually stopped asking. But he has talked and talked and talked. Yes he has given interviews, even to The Sun. He just didn't answer certain questions to their liking (nor should he have, because they were questions only the police had a right to ask, and I'm guessing already did). The one thing I did find incredibly unfair was the backlash when he tweeted a link to an unreleased song, as if it broke some sort of confidence or even law. That song has been out there forever. If perhaps it was his favorite and reminded him the most of George, I can't see what's wrong with him linking to it.
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I thought there was only one driving incident during Kenny (he says they broke up in 2009).

Yes it works both ways. But that doesn't change the nature of things. I'm sure that old guy who married Anna Nicole Smith got something out of it too.

All I'm saying is that I didn't see a lot of happiness in George after Kenny. He just kept going down and down and down. A few smiling pictures with Fadi doesn't change that perception for me. I've had plenty of rebound relationships where I made a special point to "prove" how "happy" I was now. It was all just for show. I've also known women dating celebrities telling me "it's the real thing, I'm his one and only!" and showing off their new jewelry. Meanwhile they were just the latest in a long line of stand-ins for the woman he really loved, who had left him. Being seen smiling with someone on your arm doesn't prove much of anything. Heck, getting engaged or married doesn't seem to mean anything either anymore.

I'm not going to keep pretending he was the love of George's life or more than just FWB. And i've seen and done too much to assume that dating someone on and off for 7 years automatically makes it real. But no one should take the attitude that they're any more "sure" than I am. We are ALL just guessing.
Ok, you're saying basically that George didn't manage to get over his split with Kenny?
If that's what you're saying, I hear you and I agree. George said an awful lot in his songs, didn't he?

Look at the last lines of American Angel...

My American Angel, he doesn't want to fight (doesn't need to fight)
My U.S of Angel, holds me in the dead of night
Takes away that fear that I carried forever
You stopped to wipe away my tears
But you stayed forever amore

And more, didn't you baby

Because I don't think that I could love and lose again
I don't think I have the strength
I don't think I have the strength
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Oh please! Fadi Fawaz knew full well that the paps would be tailing him yet he went to a public park to snap photos anyway. He has managed to be in the papers every damn day. Don't insult my intelligence by saying that was not deliberate.

And now he is back on Twitter or maybe it is the hacker instead.
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I fully understand, thank you.

So you suggest that Fadi should hide away and effectively becomes a recluse? Sounds familiar? We all know how that story ends.
He should do what Andrew Ridgley, Andros, Alex, David Austin etc etc are doing.
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He's not being crucified, he's being questioned because some things don't add up. That is to be expected. If Kenny were there instead, he would be questioned too, though probably differently because the nature of their relationship enjoyed a different public perception.

But yes, I wish he'd used better judgment, and that there hadn't been so many instances of poor judgment over the past 2 weeks. He alone has turned this into a circus. Had he kept quiet and made one or two respectful social media posts, we'd be having a different conversation.
Many of the things ppl are saying to and about him aren't exactly just, 'why don't things add up?'

Anyway, I'm out of this debate for now.

People have all but forgotten George and his music, and charities in favor of blasting gay men and arguing about Fadi lately. Maybe ppl need to calm down and take a step back.
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Ok, you're saying basically that George didn't manage to get over his split with Kenny?
If that's what you're saying, I hear you and I agree. George said an awful lot in his songs, didn't he?

Look at the last lines of American Angel...

My American Angel, he doesn't want to fight (doesn't need to fight)
My U.S of Angel, holds me in the dead of night
Takes away that fear that I carried forever
You stopped to wipe away my tears
But you stayed forever amore

And more, didn't you baby

Because I don't think that I could love and lose again
I don't think I have the strength
I don't think I have the strength
That's what I'm saying.
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There are some odd misdirected frustrations coming out in this thread.

what's clear is we all cared about George, and just like as if someone you cared about suddenly disappeared without trace - the mystery is driving everyone (myself included) a little crazy.

FF was George's boyfriend and had been for a long time. Pornstars are people too, and I think the negative attention he has been getting is part of the process of grieving the loss of George. It is however grossly unfair and im sure GM would be disgusted to read some of the comments and stories from the press about him.

What must be acknowledged is its OK to want to know what happened for the last four years of George's life. He became a mystery. And the reasons for this, as well as, his odd behaviour paint the picture of someone that was struggling - and I personally think its right and fair for the fans to want and need to know more. And I'm sure it will start to trickle out once the toxicology is done.

What is not fair or right is the vitriol aimed at his partner.
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Many of the things ppl are saying to and about him aren't exactly just, 'why don't things add up?'
And those things are disgusting and uncalled for. I've seen them and been repulsed by them. They're not questions, but often out-and-out accusations of murder. Come on. Let's be realistic. He did not murder George.

Like I've said before, I'm hoping the inconsistencies in his story, including his denial of being Isaac, are just his clumsy way of protecting George's memory. I think he was faced with a bad situation when he found George, and panicked. But he's so obviously lying, when most reasonable people would believe and understand the truth. It was better to keep quiet than to lie. And I can't help but think that if he were truly embraced by George's family and friends as his partner, they would have closed ranks around him, and he would have given one statement, then kept quiet. Wouldn't that make more sense??
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Wake up! They are a fully-fledged part of a modern Press; supplying the Press and paid for by the Press. Unless it’s very different in the U.S... but they are part and parcel of the media here.
You keep willfully ignoring every qualification I make, then telling me I don't make them.

I said TO ME, they are not the press. They are stalkers. They are the dealers and the press are the addicts. We do the press a disservice by referring to these vultures as anything other than stalkers. And I know full well what the celebrity media scene is like in the UK... I was once part of it. I just didn't invade people's privacy.
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Many of the things ppl are saying to and about him aren't exactly just, 'why don't things add up?'

Anyway, I'm out of this debate for now.

People have all but forgotten George and his music, and charities in favor of blasting gay men and arguing about Fadi lately. Maybe ppl need to calm down and take a step back.
I agree, I am leaving the debate as well for a while. I am sick of the wild accusations, the mis-reported incidents and the finger pointing. I am saddened that people can be so mean-spirited. None of this is any good and does nothing to help ease the sad news of the past few weeks.
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Many of the things ppl are saying to and about him aren't exactly just, 'why don't things add up?'

Anyway, I'm out of this debate for now.

People have all but forgotten George and his music, and charities in favor of blasting gay men and arguing about Fadi lately. Maybe ppl need to calm down and take a step back.

I agree. I am STILL heartbroken no matter what I read. It does not matter to me what he did in his private life as nothing will bring him back. It is like the final piece of my teenage years has been lost. Losing Michael Jackson then Whitney were very sad but George was always in the background just waiting (I hoped) to release some more of that wonderful voice and soothe the sadness.
It breaks my heart to think he could have felt so lonely and isolated. I just feel honoured he was part of my lifetime and celebrate that!!
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You keep willfully ignoring every qualification I make, then telling me I don't make them.

I said TO ME, they are not the press. They are stalkers. They are the dealers and the press are the addicts. We do the press a disservice by referring to these vultures as anything other than stalkers. And I know full well what the celebrity media scene is like in the UK... I was once part of it. I just didn't invade people's privacy.
Over to you FaithInTheSound - this is your gig now, say whatever you want, keep the backlash rolling. It’s shameful and does nothing to serve George’s memory.
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Over to you FaithInTheSound - this is your gig now, say whatever you want,
Unanswered questions and gaps in a story is what FaithInTheSound is after. Good journalism is my view.
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So you suggest that Fadi should hide away and effectively becomes a recluse? Sounds familiar? We all know how that story ends.
Not the same thing. He should have been discreet. Like Kenny, David, the family, and everyone else close to George has been. It's not "becoming a recluse" to practice discretion in the immediate wake of a tragedy, especially when there's a public figure involved and you were the last one to see him alive. If Fadi were some 21-year-old kid, I would expect and excuse this behavior. But he's not.

Sometimes when we're trying to be "fair" (and who doesn't want to be seen as fair?), we wade too far in the other direction into complete denial. I think that's happening here. (Admittedly I'm particularly sensitive to this phenomenon right now because my country is about to be taken over by a reality show buffoon who helped another nation fix the election, all because the opposing party is more concerned with the outward appearance of civility than what's actually happening.)
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Over to you FaithInTheSound - this is your gig now, say whatever you want, keep the backlash rolling. It’s shameful and does nothing to serve George’s memory.
I'm stating my opinion as you've stated yours. We just don't happen to agree, and I'm not lashing out at you for daring to see things differently. Either way, neither of us knows the truth. We are equally
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