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Old 9th January 2017, 16:49
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Logical but sad if true. However for me I think George either accidentally overdosed. Not unusual for someone who has been clean and whose tolerance has lowered. Or George died a natural death due to a new arrhythmia that caused his heart to stop. Why do I think George did not commit suicide? Primarily my own experiences.
George had stated that he had been suicidal after his mother's death and if I remember correctly he did not do it because what it would do to his family who were already going through enough. I have felt suicidal and when I was seventeen made two suicide attempts. These were definitely cries for help, the second of which I was very ill. After which I made promises to my family not to do it again. I can still remember my grandad crying. What it will do to your family is a big incentive not to kill yourself. From all reports George had a very close family. I suspect George may have made some cries for help over the years but determined male suicides tend to be more dramatic and thus more successful. Falling out if his car was definitely suspect.
I just don't think he'd do it to his family.

And I still don't think the car incident was a suicide attempt. The facts have never stacked up to suggest it.
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Old 9th January 2017, 17:56
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In light of the recent trip to the Drs, and in general just a consideration;


"What do certain asthma, acne, malaria, and smoking-cessation prescription drugs have in common? Answer: Their possible side effects include depression or other mood disorders."

There's a lot of others. That's From this article

http://www.everydayhealth.com/depres...epression.aspx
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Old 9th January 2017, 19:24
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Was December 25 his mother's birthday or the day she died?
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Old 9th January 2017, 19:25
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I think 24 December ... she died in February IIRC ....
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It is true that if he had stayed with women he would've beeb better off. Even if he'd been obese or a drunk, his general life would've been far better than the one he had. This is NOT TO BLAME him or anyone for their feelings. I think he had bad influences he thought were his best loves. There are many people like George, he's NOT an exception so I don't see why people are so determined to pretend gay culture is not hazardous.
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Being in-the-closet-and-miserable, obese, and a drunk is not hazardous? Many people like that drop

dead from a heart attack in their early forties.

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Being in-the-closet-and-miserable, obese, and a drunk is not hazardous? Many people like that drop

dead from a heart attack in their early forties.

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How about living with a hetero bigoted guy who drunk, gambled, beat his partner black and blue (my mother), watched (straight) porn movies late at night not caring if the females in the household heard? Eventually his alcohol issues got so bad blood was spilled (his eldest son accidently pushing him through a glass pane to protect my mother after months of his threatening to kill her) and he left - forcibly, the police took him away and mum got a restraining order.

This man, who was so narrow minded and hated the gay community, it turned out a few years ago, was talking to gay men on his mobile phone. As well as other women.

The discovery about men was a real shock as he'd lived with my mum since the late 1970s (I left home in the early 1990s) - he portrayed himself as an old school, sexist, heterosexual alpha male. I knew as their relationship was breaking down he was likely looking elsewhere - but MEN? He was the last guy you'd imagine to have any homosexual tendencies.

That's being unhappy and in denial - having a woman in your life doesn't change any of the guy's issues. A refusal to treat people respectfully or be accountable is on you. And your sexuality doesn't change any of those awful traits.

*I realise this is an extreme example but I lived in this household (I'm not his daughter, thankfully). That constant undercurrent of anger, fear and oppression eventually gets to you. I wonder what this man was hiding from and trying to blot out, with drink. He was such a horror it's very hard for me to have true empathy for him.

Nowadays his health is not good (years of drinking and hard living have given him gout - he is obese) and his growing aggression and out-of-control drinking has pushed most of his lifelong friends away.

My reply is more for LucidVoice

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You're probably in some sort of denial!


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And what about all the straight guys who are hurt by women? Nearly every damn straight guy I know has the same kind of story, some woman who played them, cheated, whatever.. left them jaded. Took off with their kids and left them with hardly enough to get by because of child support. Mind games. It makes me sick.

Not all women are the same, but, women aren't a bunch of saints.

They do damage and wage wars in very different ways.


(This is also about the "would be better staying with women" thing)
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I just don't think he'd do it to his family.

And I still don't think the car incident was a suicide attempt. The facts have never stacked up to suggest it.
I hope you are right. As for the car I've heard people suggest Fadi tried to push him out which I think is nonsense. Only other alternative is a panic attack.
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I hope you are right. As for the car I've heard people suggest Fadi tried to push him out which I think is nonsense. Only other alternative is a panic attack.
He could have 'accidentally' fallen/been pushed/drugged out of his mind given that the car had to have been at a near standstill for the incident to be survivable. There aren't enough confirmed facts even from the scope of the injury to come down on one theory or another.
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I just don't think he'd do it to his family.

And I still don't think the car incident was a suicide attempt. The facts have never stacked up to suggest it.
Not really up to speed with gossip sites (still read Popbitch regularly, there's another place called BlindGossip that I read on and off) but the only place I saw that car incident comment was on DataLounge a few days ago - you can tell a lot of the commenters are just idly bitching and don't have much connection to GM.

There's a few other threads on DL about Fadi and it isn't mentioned elsewhere. There would be more of those rumours if it was true, I bet - or if he had a history of intimidation or violent behaviour. One or two do say their relationship was volatile but not sure how true that is. Addictions do cause big changes in behaviour and mood - saw it myself when my sister got wildly drunk over Xmas and started a huge fight with her boyfriend over nothing - and attacked him (she is very ashamed about it too - she had a few years of drinking very heavily and acting crazy and out of character - it was like her old, evil self reappeared for an evening)!

My own conclusion is George overdosed by accident - before or after an argument with Fadi, who knows. The "Fadi sleeping off his high in the car" comment seems plausible to me as well. Though that suggests it must have been quite a vicious fight - otherwise why not sleep on the couch/in another room?

If this is what happened, the shame and regret Fadi must be carrying will be massive and I do feel for him.
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I hope you are right. As for the car I've heard people suggest Fadi tried to push him out which I think is nonsense. Only other alternative is a panic attack.
I think there are other alternatives. If George was high as a kite he'd not necessarily have any concept of being in a moving car. Did anyone actually saw him come out of the car? I've always wondered if there had been an altercation, the car moved over to the hard shoulder and George fell out at low speed or even got out of a stationary car and was hit by a moving vehicle.

I think the majority of us on here know he did not fall out of a moving car at 70 mph otherwise he would have almost certainly suffered fatal injuries.

Fadi push him out? No way - that would be attempted murder and unlikely to be swept under the carpet.
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I think there are other alternatives. If George was high as a kite he'd not necessarily have any concept of being in a moving car. Did anyone actually saw him come out of the car? I've always wondered if there had been an altercation, the car moved over to the hard shoulder and George fell out at low speed or even got out of a stationary car and was hit by a moving vehicle.

I think the majority of us on here know he did not fall out of a moving car at 70 mph otherwise he would have almost certainly suffered fatal injuries.

Fadi push him out? No way - that would be attempted murder and unlikely to be swept under the carpet.
There were a few people in the car, weren't there? So they are witnesses. George's friends no doubt would be on his side and would have thrown the book at the (alleged) person who threw him out the car. Obviously George likely wasn't in a fit state to recall anything, but there would be a lead-up to the incident - arguing, growing aggression...

It is still very much a mystery, and very sad.

I think the Gods gave George a few "warning shots" to look closer at his dangerous lifestyle (I'm talking more about drug taking) - as the pneumonia scare was yet another brush with death. I wonder even if there were incidents the general public don't know about. I hate to think of him being in such torment.

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He could have 'accidentally' fallen/been pushed/drugged out of his mind given that the car had to have been at a near standstill for the incident to be survivable. There aren't enough confirmed facts even from the scope of the injury to come down on one theory or another.
I believe the car was moving at speed (not full speed, like 70mph) as it was on the fast lane of the M1 motorway. He was lucky to survive it.
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